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[HEFFER, YOU KILLED YOUR KIDS]
Sunday, 9 March 2025 15:51And no apologies for the allcaps what so fucking ever.Dateline did an interview with Lori Vallow Daybell. Seriously,I do not care.Because Lori got involved with some seriously shady shit and wAS convinced that her kids were evil and had to kill them.
Seems to me like Mormons-even mainstream ones-find it all too easy to get seduced by the fringier side of Mormonism(including polygamy. If you need some context read Under The Banner Of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. I’ve read it several times and it makes me angry EVERY time. )The reason that I say that it seems like it is much more of a thing is that it happens a LOT more often than you would think-and it is not just Lori Vallow and Ruby Franke(who has a series about her on Hulu now.)
Ruby’s husband has claimed that he had no idea what was going on..I don’t really believe that.I think he knew but Ruby..well, she and Jodi Hildebrant-were shielding the kids from everything and it was getting into the same sort of crazy as Lori Vallow-that they were evil and had to be killed-but fortunately the police intervened before that happened.If it were up to me I would get Ruby’s kids as far fucking away from them-and maybe NOT with a Mormon foster family.-as possible.
And in another case,the Turpins(I don’t know if they are Mormons-kinda think they aren’t) who made their kids live in cages, for fuck’s sake!) It’s the thing of:punishment when a kid misbehaves…but that punishment gets to extremes and even to the point of murder. Neither Lori or Ruby were in their right minds,it is abundantly clear.
Seems to me like Mormons-even mainstream ones-find it all too easy to get seduced by the fringier side of Mormonism(including polygamy. If you need some context read Under The Banner Of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. I’ve read it several times and it makes me angry EVERY time. )The reason that I say that it seems like it is much more of a thing is that it happens a LOT more often than you would think-and it is not just Lori Vallow and Ruby Franke(who has a series about her on Hulu now.)
Ruby’s husband has claimed that he had no idea what was going on..I don’t really believe that.I think he knew but Ruby..well, she and Jodi Hildebrant-were shielding the kids from everything and it was getting into the same sort of crazy as Lori Vallow-that they were evil and had to be killed-but fortunately the police intervened before that happened.If it were up to me I would get Ruby’s kids as far fucking away from them-and maybe NOT with a Mormon foster family.-as possible.
And in another case,the Turpins(I don’t know if they are Mormons-kinda think they aren’t) who made their kids live in cages, for fuck’s sake!) It’s the thing of:punishment when a kid misbehaves…but that punishment gets to extremes and even to the point of murder. Neither Lori or Ruby were in their right minds,it is abundantly clear.
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There is a (I think) Tik Tokker who has her kids help her clean their(very) Mersey house. Could they do that by themselves? Just take a section of the house and clean it..just sort of work at it little by little. If you have kids, you (at some point)will have a messy house to some degree.And you have parents who tell you to clean up after yourself-not in a mean way,but in a “this house looks like a bomb hit it and we have guests showing up in 20 minutes” sort of way. That’s how it was in my family anyways.Though it must be said my oldest brother’s room was ALWAYS messy, and our parents didn’t try..too much.
However, when you need your kid to get under the bed so that they can get all of the stuff under the bed-and there is a LOT of it-then, there is the problem. I cash see why CPS *might* have to be involved.The example that I saw,,she *could* clean it up but basically, as I said before it’s basically a matter of trying to take on a HUGE project and feeling overwhelmed .
So yeah, not surprised that CPS has gotten involved. In case you couldn’t figure it out I am a pro-CPS person.Certainly have seen enough cases of parents who I NEEDED to have their kids taken away from them.In one case they got their kid back, which amazed me. The mom is still salty about the year or so she lost when she didn’t have custody of her kid.Plus she had a replacement kid in the meantime.The kids were meant to feel bad because “evil CPS” took their sibling away.
Or(and deservedly) the parents who had their kids taken away, and they were cliaming it was because they had a home birth.I did a report of home births when I was in high school and my take was that it was not my thing(little did I know then that I wouldn’t have kids.) In any case the parents got their kids taken away..and got them back..but they had to follow CPS’s rules. I thought to myself:We have NOT heard the last of them and sure enough,they tried to flee,saying they were “taking a mini vacation” or something to that effect-it’s been a few years. End result was that they had the kids taken away from them for good.The dad also wound up going to jail for threatening a CPS worker.Can’t say that I am surprised by that either.
However, when you need your kid to get under the bed so that they can get all of the stuff under the bed-and there is a LOT of it-then, there is the problem. I cash see why CPS *might* have to be involved.The example that I saw,,she *could* clean it up but basically, as I said before it’s basically a matter of trying to take on a HUGE project and feeling overwhelmed .
So yeah, not surprised that CPS has gotten involved. In case you couldn’t figure it out I am a pro-CPS person.Certainly have seen enough cases of parents who I NEEDED to have their kids taken away from them.In one case they got their kid back, which amazed me. The mom is still salty about the year or so she lost when she didn’t have custody of her kid.Plus she had a replacement kid in the meantime.The kids were meant to feel bad because “evil CPS” took their sibling away.
Or(and deservedly) the parents who had their kids taken away, and they were cliaming it was because they had a home birth.I did a report of home births when I was in high school and my take was that it was not my thing(little did I know then that I wouldn’t have kids.) In any case the parents got their kids taken away..and got them back..but they had to follow CPS’s rules. I thought to myself:We have NOT heard the last of them and sure enough,they tried to flee,saying they were “taking a mini vacation” or something to that effect-it’s been a few years. End result was that they had the kids taken away from them for good.The dad also wound up going to jail for threatening a CPS worker.Can’t say that I am surprised by that either.
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[*Homer disappearing into the bushes gif for teh win*]
Tuesday, 7 January 2025 11:53Just when I think that the whole Natalia Grace thing can’t get any more batshit..then it does. I do not think this is CLOSE to the end of the story, inasmuch as this being billed as “the final chapter”. Yeah, how many seasons of this have we had?And looking at everything involved in the story-her adoptive families are..SMH.None of them are perfect. Especially the Barnetts.The Manses, who she was with for several years were a real piece of work. They were religious(the dad called himself a bishop even though he was much more of a layman.)
The DePauls who were the first family she was with took her in-they rescued her from the Manses, whose only concern was whether they were still going to get Natalia’s SSI payments(they were her payee.)Natalia herself was having some serious emotional whiplash and that is to say nothing of the Stockholm. Syndrome on the part of the Manses(and the Barnetts though it doesn’t seem like she has anything to do with the Barnett-can’t say I blame her-but when she was rescued by the DePauls she had a lot of remorse and was worried what the Manses would think of her.
Here’s the thing:Why did the Manses have such a stranglehold on Natalia for so long?She is a GROWN ASS WOMAN and yet..people are infanitilising her.And using her for her SSI payments.The Manses were also about to throw Natalia out of their house.However, when the show’s producers showed up where they live, everything was fine.Somehow,I doubt that(and obviously it wasn’t the case since Natalia escaped from them eventually.)
The DePauls who were the first family she was with took her in-they rescued her from the Manses, whose only concern was whether they were still going to get Natalia’s SSI payments(they were her payee.)Natalia herself was having some serious emotional whiplash and that is to say nothing of the Stockholm. Syndrome on the part of the Manses(and the Barnetts though it doesn’t seem like she has anything to do with the Barnett-can’t say I blame her-but when she was rescued by the DePauls she had a lot of remorse and was worried what the Manses would think of her.
Here’s the thing:Why did the Manses have such a stranglehold on Natalia for so long?She is a GROWN ASS WOMAN and yet..people are infanitilising her.And using her for her SSI payments.The Manses were also about to throw Natalia out of their house.However, when the show’s producers showed up where they live, everything was fine.Somehow,I doubt that(and obviously it wasn’t the case since Natalia escaped from them eventually.)
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The whole crazy mom thing is insane.Especially when you hear the horrible stories about kids that were abused..living in homes with NO electricity ,running water..the kids had overly full diapers(which IMO is child abuse..how the fuck do you not notice that your kid has an overflowing diaper?
Unfortunately it leads to death More often than you would think..Or the situation was allowed to get really bad before anything was done .Then you hear the Medical Kidnap types complain that kids are being taken away for “no reason”. Not “no reason”. But itIS disturbing when it takes a long time for anything to be done. The anti-CPS types get upset when someone calls the authorities on them.Especially when it’s family who have legitimate concerns.
Family who call these sorts of things out get called “traitor”. Wow.That is so incredibly harsh.The parents of the kids who may be being abused(or just neglected whatever that consists of..in the first case I ever saw the concern was that the kids-twins-which they didn’t know they were having because the mom refused to go to the doctor the whole time she was pregnant-which she gave birth to-at home, without a midwife.That is how into then whole crunchy aesthetic she and the kids’ dad were. And did I mention that she basically;;y had her first 3 kids within a short span of time. Taking the whole “be fruitful and multiply “ thing very seriously.AND they got called out when a concerned family member(and rightfully so I might add) contacted CPS because one of the kids had skin issues and the mom(being crunchy as she was) would only treat it with essential oils. They were made to use medicine even though the mom was completely against it.
Unfortunately it leads to death More often than you would think..Or the situation was allowed to get really bad before anything was done .Then you hear the Medical Kidnap types complain that kids are being taken away for “no reason”. Not “no reason”. But itIS disturbing when it takes a long time for anything to be done. The anti-CPS types get upset when someone calls the authorities on them.Especially when it’s family who have legitimate concerns.
Family who call these sorts of things out get called “traitor”. Wow.That is so incredibly harsh.The parents of the kids who may be being abused(or just neglected whatever that consists of..in the first case I ever saw the concern was that the kids-twins-which they didn’t know they were having because the mom refused to go to the doctor the whole time she was pregnant-which she gave birth to-at home, without a midwife.That is how into then whole crunchy aesthetic she and the kids’ dad were. And did I mention that she basically;;y had her first 3 kids within a short span of time. Taking the whole “be fruitful and multiply “ thing very seriously.AND they got called out when a concerned family member(and rightfully so I might add) contacted CPS because one of the kids had skin issues and the mom(being crunchy as she was) would only treat it with essential oils. They were made to use medicine even though the mom was completely against it.
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[Dancing around this]
Monday, 4 November 2024 14:27There is a man on death row who was accused of shaken baby syndrome.
Couple of points:
This happened many years ago,
The daughter had health issues.
The father was on the autism spectrum.
At the time his daughter died she had a high fever for an extended amount of time-almost 105 degrees which is not good in the long term.As I mentioned she also had some health issues.
The whole “shaken baby syndrome is fake” thing comes into play here too.Do I think that he is innocent?No, and ..to be quite honest it seems like(and the information I got about this was from the Medical Kidnap site which should be taken with many many many grains of salt.The stories that are featured on there seems like they are missing LARGE amounts of relevant information That’s what they are wanting people to see and to believe.I am of the mind that shaken baby syndrome is very much a real thing.
Here’s where the subject line comes into play.
I wondered where his parents were in all of this:
He had several other children and only found out about his daughter after she was born.She spent time with her father but for the most part she was in the care of her maternal grandparents.The kid’s mother lost custody of the baby. 20 odd years ago when this happened npt as much was known about autism back then..and he did have several other kids.Clearly there was something. going on there and he felt overwhelmed and.. things happened.
Couple of points:
This happened many years ago,
The daughter had health issues.
The father was on the autism spectrum.
At the time his daughter died she had a high fever for an extended amount of time-almost 105 degrees which is not good in the long term.As I mentioned she also had some health issues.
The whole “shaken baby syndrome is fake” thing comes into play here too.Do I think that he is innocent?No, and ..to be quite honest it seems like(and the information I got about this was from the Medical Kidnap site which should be taken with many many many grains of salt.The stories that are featured on there seems like they are missing LARGE amounts of relevant information That’s what they are wanting people to see and to believe.I am of the mind that shaken baby syndrome is very much a real thing.
Here’s where the subject line comes into play.
I wondered where his parents were in all of this:
He had several other children and only found out about his daughter after she was born.She spent time with her father but for the most part she was in the care of her maternal grandparents.The kid’s mother lost custody of the baby. 20 odd years ago when this happened npt as much was known about autism back then..and he did have several other kids.Clearly there was something. going on there and he felt overwhelmed and.. things happened.
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[Crazy mom update ]
Tuesday, 15 October 2024 07:39Very much a lot of different aspects to this story.
She tried to unalive herself and that prompted CPS(quite rightfully) to take her kids away from her.
As with a lot of these situations the baby daddy is in the picture Said baby daddy is a*usive. Often getting the baby daddy out of the picture is a condition for getting their kids back. But they refuse to leave them.There are also multiple instances of the baby daddies being charged with r*pe(for having sex with her and then a(child ?) of hers. There is a recurring theme here.
The kids were with an adult.Whether that person was a *responsible* adult I have no ides.Sorta doubt it.
CPS(and the kids’school) had concerns that the kids were not getting enough to eat and if it was it was stuff out of cans.Cold. They lived in a house that had been condemned several times over/Thete was also no running water. WTF.
.The kids don’t go to school(did I mention that at least one of the kids does not have a birth certificate? True.)
She tried to unalive herself and that prompted CPS(quite rightfully) to take her kids away from her.
As with a lot of these situations the baby daddy is in the picture Said baby daddy is a*usive. Often getting the baby daddy out of the picture is a condition for getting their kids back. But they refuse to leave them.There are also multiple instances of the baby daddies being charged with r*pe(for having sex with her and then a(child ?) of hers. There is a recurring theme here.
The kids were with an adult.Whether that person was a *responsible* adult I have no ides.Sorta doubt it.
CPS(and the kids’school) had concerns that the kids were not getting enough to eat and if it was it was stuff out of cans.Cold. They lived in a house that had been condemned several times over/Thete was also no running water. WTF.
.The kids don’t go to school(did I mention that at least one of the kids does not have a birth certificate? True.)
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{A new crazy mom]
Wednesday, 9 October 2024 08:04Discovered her via YouTube.
As an aside:I have tried to find updates on the original crazy mom but as far as I can find the kids got taken away and they haveb’t been given back.
The new lady has had her kids(most of them)taken away from her.There are many aspects to this-one of her kids died from cancer.
BUT..the reason that she does not have custody of her kids is because she refuses to leave her husband(there is a history of d*mestic v*olence(another common thread with these moms who get their kids taken away.
AND her house has been condemned.Yeah, it is definitely for the best that the kids are not living with her, for sure.
Another thing is the parents hating on the foster families.Baby S. Is a good example of this. I am actually amazed that her parents got custody back after all of the bitching they did(well, the bio mom did) about the foster mom and why she was a terrible person;constantly mentioning the fact that she was overweight .Nio mom wasn’t exactly supermodel-thin herself. Also, the fact that bio mom kept mentioning that foster mom’s race.Which, again is ironic..bio mom’s biggest whinge was that she and her husband were racially profiled because her husband is Middle Eastern looking.Self loathing?
As an aside:I have tried to find updates on the original crazy mom but as far as I can find the kids got taken away and they haveb’t been given back.
The new lady has had her kids(most of them)taken away from her.There are many aspects to this-one of her kids died from cancer.
BUT..the reason that she does not have custody of her kids is because she refuses to leave her husband(there is a history of d*mestic v*olence(another common thread with these moms who get their kids taken away.
AND her house has been condemned.Yeah, it is definitely for the best that the kids are not living with her, for sure.
Another thing is the parents hating on the foster families.Baby S. Is a good example of this. I am actually amazed that her parents got custody back after all of the bitching they did(well, the bio mom did) about the foster mom and why she was a terrible person;constantly mentioning the fact that she was overweight .Nio mom wasn’t exactly supermodel-thin herself. Also, the fact that bio mom kept mentioning that foster mom’s race.Which, again is ironic..bio mom’s biggest whinge was that she and her husband were racially profiled because her husband is Middle Eastern looking.Self loathing?
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[Not sure what made me think of this..and no real updates]
Wednesday, 12 June 2024 17:49I have talked about the case of Baby S. who was abandoned by her parents.The parents feel as if they have been targeted especially because her husband looks Middle Eastern(he is some sort of Coptic Christian IIRC).Mom was dead set on having another c-section but she had one every time because she has so many health problems.That was a law suit waiting to happen,IMO.
S. was ripped from her womb and from her arms .Everyone from the hospital and from DCFS are racist and corrupt. She doxxed her daughter’s foster mother and called the foster mom uneducated and had this weird obsession with the fact that the foster mom is Puerto Rican.Ironic when you consider that birth mom thinks that she and her husband are constantly being racially profiled. Birth mom thought that they had to jump through WAY too many hoops to get custody of S. back….everyone is against them and wouldn’t help them.Um, could it be because they did some things that were sketchy as fuck?
Like leaving your kid at the hospital and then claiming the hospital stole her away from them.
Like doxxing people involved with your daughter’s case?
Like having a fourth baby as a replacement for S.?
Like putting more into trying to get custody of S. back than paying attention to your other kids. And if S.’s birth parents don’t think that their other kids don’t notice what the parents are doing ..yes, for sure they do.
Like being bitter as fuck about to even after they got custody back
Unlike other stories similar to this S. was returned to them.She seems happy back with her birth family(in spite of theis assholery to get there) but her start in life is always going to affect her.
S. was ripped from her womb and from her arms .Everyone from the hospital and from DCFS are racist and corrupt. She doxxed her daughter’s foster mother and called the foster mom uneducated and had this weird obsession with the fact that the foster mom is Puerto Rican.Ironic when you consider that birth mom thinks that she and her husband are constantly being racially profiled. Birth mom thought that they had to jump through WAY too many hoops to get custody of S. back….everyone is against them and wouldn’t help them.Um, could it be because they did some things that were sketchy as fuck?
Like leaving your kid at the hospital and then claiming the hospital stole her away from them.
Like doxxing people involved with your daughter’s case?
Like having a fourth baby as a replacement for S.?
Like putting more into trying to get custody of S. back than paying attention to your other kids. And if S.’s birth parents don’t think that their other kids don’t notice what the parents are doing ..yes, for sure they do.
Like being bitter as fuck about to even after they got custody back
Unlike other stories similar to this S. was returned to them.She seems happy back with her birth family(in spite of theis assholery to get there) but her start in life is always going to affect her.
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[Crazy parents craying]
Tuesday, 26 March 2024 07:20They think that it’s a bad thing that they have to get their kids their shots.
Here’s the thing:These kids do NOT get their shots and they wind up getting measles and their parents send them to school anyways.There should be a law.
Kids are taken from “loving parents”. Right.The d same sort of parents that would use their own “tried and true” treatments which -big shocker-do NOT work. They name comments about how there are not any vaccines that are recommended.The fucking LIES.
Or doctors who “do not know what they are doing” and immediately call CPS when they refuse to get their j kids vaccinated.However, it’s usually a lot more than that. And family members)(who are frequently the ones who call CPS with concerns) are called “traitors” and much worse.
Family members frequently try to get custody of kids.That isn’t always the case. One grandparent said she was not allowed to have custody of her grandchild because of her previous dealings with CPS. That isn’t surprising. But for anyone who has had to deal with CPS before it feels like a personal attack.
Or parents who complain about “terrible” foster parents(thinking specifically here of Baby S. whose mo, bashed her daughter’s foster mother whenever she could.And you want to talk about personal attacks. S’s. Bio mom did nothing BUT bash the foster parents. It’s amazing to me that her daughter was allowed to fo back to her family. If that was the case S’s bio mom would still be over at websites like Facebook and the like venting about how evil S’s foster family were. By all accounts S’s foster family was very loving and she liked it there. But things changed and she was returned to her bio family. That is one of those situations where I was shaking my head at the whole situation.
One of the first crazy mom cases that I found out about got her kids back for a time but I thought “we have NOT heard the last of her”. And of course I was right. They wanted her to leave her husband who was abusive(the cops had been called MULTIPLE times to their house and all of them were living in a one bedroom apartment with a family member who was not in the best of mental health. That is the perfect combination of things to get CPS to show up at your house.
And course her issues started when she had a home birth-and had NO idea that she was pregnant with twins-no doctors or midwife present. They had health issues(which frequently happens with twins) nd also a child who had eczema which she was treating with a home cure(but which was not working.The kid had a heavy duty case of it which was NOT going to respond to a lotion made out of twigs and berries.
Here’s the thing:These kids do NOT get their shots and they wind up getting measles and their parents send them to school anyways.There should be a law.
Kids are taken from “loving parents”. Right.The d same sort of parents that would use their own “tried and true” treatments which -big shocker-do NOT work. They name comments about how there are not any vaccines that are recommended.The fucking LIES.
Or doctors who “do not know what they are doing” and immediately call CPS when they refuse to get their j kids vaccinated.However, it’s usually a lot more than that. And family members)(who are frequently the ones who call CPS with concerns) are called “traitors” and much worse.
Family members frequently try to get custody of kids.That isn’t always the case. One grandparent said she was not allowed to have custody of her grandchild because of her previous dealings with CPS. That isn’t surprising. But for anyone who has had to deal with CPS before it feels like a personal attack.
Or parents who complain about “terrible” foster parents(thinking specifically here of Baby S. whose mo, bashed her daughter’s foster mother whenever she could.And you want to talk about personal attacks. S’s. Bio mom did nothing BUT bash the foster parents. It’s amazing to me that her daughter was allowed to fo back to her family. If that was the case S’s bio mom would still be over at websites like Facebook and the like venting about how evil S’s foster family were. By all accounts S’s foster family was very loving and she liked it there. But things changed and she was returned to her bio family. That is one of those situations where I was shaking my head at the whole situation.
One of the first crazy mom cases that I found out about got her kids back for a time but I thought “we have NOT heard the last of her”. And of course I was right. They wanted her to leave her husband who was abusive(the cops had been called MULTIPLE times to their house and all of them were living in a one bedroom apartment with a family member who was not in the best of mental health. That is the perfect combination of things to get CPS to show up at your house.
And course her issues started when she had a home birth-and had NO idea that she was pregnant with twins-no doctors or midwife present. They had health issues(which frequently happens with twins) nd also a child who had eczema which she was treating with a home cure(but which was not working.The kid had a heavy duty case of it which was NOT going to respond to a lotion made out of twigs and berries.
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[A crazy dad *and* a crazy mom]
Thursday, 18 January 2024 14:13CPS vs. dad..
The comments were spot on:
There it’s more to this than the colour of the kid’s clothes
(CPS had had calls about concerns the kid was wearing pink.
Dad days that there has been more than one open CPS report
(That,among other things is why CPS has concerns.Teachers.etc are mandated reporters.)
He seems odd-giggles inappropriately -threatening *and* passive aggressive.
(The dad knows perfectly well why CPS are there.)
Referral is more than just the colour of the clothes.
(Exactly.)
Father is “People are out to get me”.\
(can you say “this is not his first rodeo with CPS?” I can.)
(allegedly) once of the concerns was about the dad dating a sex offender.
(If true..yeah..)
The woman was a drinker and her house looked a state, The son did not want CPS to leave him with her Apparently Mom thinks the son should have to fend for himself.
.Mom did nothing but talk over the social workers, and deflected anytime they tried to talk to her about what was going on.
The comments were spot on:
There it’s more to this than the colour of the kid’s clothes
(CPS had had calls about concerns the kid was wearing pink.
Dad days that there has been more than one open CPS report
(That,among other things is why CPS has concerns.Teachers.etc are mandated reporters.)
He seems odd-giggles inappropriately -threatening *and* passive aggressive.
(The dad knows perfectly well why CPS are there.)
Referral is more than just the colour of the clothes.
(Exactly.)
Father is “People are out to get me”.\
(can you say “this is not his first rodeo with CPS?” I can.)
(allegedly) once of the concerns was about the dad dating a sex offender.
(If true..yeah..)
The woman was a drinker and her house looked a state, The son did not want CPS to leave him with her Apparently Mom thinks the son should have to fend for himself.
.Mom did nothing but talk over the social workers, and deflected anytime they tried to talk to her about what was going on.
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[Twigs and berries are not going to work]
Friday, 13 October 2023 18:30Medical Kidnap:
Get ready for the flu season by avoiding vaccines.
(I had my flu shot a few years ago and just had my Covid booster today.)
Natural remedies.
(If you rely ONLY on natural remedies and don’t trust doctors it’s on you.)
Get ready for the flu season by avoiding vaccines.
(I had my flu shot a few years ago and just had my Covid booster today.)
Natural remedies.
(If you rely ONLY on natural remedies and don’t trust doctors it’s on you.)
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[As an adopted person,this pisses me off.]
Monday, 25 September 2023 07:34Every foster or adopted child is wanted by someone.
(You don’t know what people’s situations are,)
Adoption is trafficking.
There are any amount of reasons that a child is given up for adoption.)
Foster care kids are worse off than children in troubled homes.
(As someone who was adopted I can’t thank my parents enough for adopting them,WRT to being in “troubled homes..no they are not.)
Foster or adoptive parents you have been told your child was “unwanted”.
Not necessarily unwanted.I know vaguely my story and that my birth mother already had 2 kids and there were circumstances that led to her giving me up for adoption. As I said earlier there are many reasons that a baby is given up for adoption.
Then there is the comment “The baby should be given to family”.
(Can’t always happen and sometimes that is worse.)
Birth family is where kids belong.
(The stories I have followed where families who have had their kids taken away from them go on and on about how the evil gubmint took their kids away because they did something CPS thought was sus to them, And in one case the kids were given back to the parents and I said that we have not heard the last of them and sure enough they got their kids back.
The second case was so sketch and eventually the parents DID get their kid back but their story was all over the place.Since they got their kid back they have mostly kept their moth shut but if someone asks about about it it sets them off.
Break up happy and loving homes.
(In both of the cases that I mentioned their being happy and loving is debatable,)
Families traumatised and never want to go to a hospital again.
(Again in both of the cases that I mentioned the parents were anti-establishment, the first parents very much so to the point that they had their twins(which they did not even know that they were having because they did not go to the doctor the whole time they were pregnant ) at home without a doctor or a nurse present, Concerned neighbours and relatives reported them .In the comments sections on every article that was pro the family(like on Medical Kidnap as an example) they would call the concerned family members “traitors”.
(You don’t know what people’s situations are,)
Adoption is trafficking.
There are any amount of reasons that a child is given up for adoption.)
Foster care kids are worse off than children in troubled homes.
(As someone who was adopted I can’t thank my parents enough for adopting them,WRT to being in “troubled homes..no they are not.)
Foster or adoptive parents you have been told your child was “unwanted”.
Not necessarily unwanted.I know vaguely my story and that my birth mother already had 2 kids and there were circumstances that led to her giving me up for adoption. As I said earlier there are many reasons that a baby is given up for adoption.
Then there is the comment “The baby should be given to family”.
(Can’t always happen and sometimes that is worse.)
Birth family is where kids belong.
(The stories I have followed where families who have had their kids taken away from them go on and on about how the evil gubmint took their kids away because they did something CPS thought was sus to them, And in one case the kids were given back to the parents and I said that we have not heard the last of them and sure enough they got their kids back.
The second case was so sketch and eventually the parents DID get their kid back but their story was all over the place.Since they got their kid back they have mostly kept their moth shut but if someone asks about about it it sets them off.
Break up happy and loving homes.
(In both of the cases that I mentioned their being happy and loving is debatable,)
Families traumatised and never want to go to a hospital again.
(Again in both of the cases that I mentioned the parents were anti-establishment, the first parents very much so to the point that they had their twins(which they did not even know that they were having because they did not go to the doctor the whole time they were pregnant ) at home without a doctor or a nurse present, Concerned neighbours and relatives reported them .In the comments sections on every article that was pro the family(like on Medical Kidnap as an example) they would call the concerned family members “traitors”.
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There were parents that got their kid taken away because they refused to take their kid to the hospital for a jaundice treatment.The parents,however, are claiming that the reason that their baby was taken away was because they had a home birth.And they are a family of colour.
Here is the thing:There are some conflicting reports about the parents’ behaviour(supposedly they used a assumed name to get out of paying the hospital bill)
.And were warned that NOT allowing their baby to have the treatment might lead to the kid having permanent health issues.There was a comment about the parents being paranoid.I don’t disagree with that .
Because one of the first things they did was trying to make it about them being a family of colour as I mentioned before. Not entirely convinced that that is the case.There are too many things that just don’t add up for me.
Look,I get why someone might want to have a baby at home.I did a report on home birth in high school(and got an a for it IIRC) but came to the conclusion that it was not something that I would have done myself. There are too many variables when it comes to having a baby;however, women of colour are more likely to die in childbirth which is shameful. And makes me glad that I can’t have kids.
I am a person of colour myself and it’s not that I don’t get where they are coming from..however from what I’m reading it’s nothing do do with their race and more that their child needed medical treatment and the parents wanted to treat it with “natural” cures.
Reminds me of the first crazy mom that I ever reported on whose son had a bad skin condition and who was treating it with natural cures(and it wasn’t working.) That, among other reasons was why she got her kids taken away from her, returned, and then taken away(for good this time.)
Quite a few comments commended the doctor for stepping in and doing the right thing,Which I agree. The story(as it is told by Medical Kidnap anyhow) has a whole lot of holes in it. Did the father have drug paraphernalia in the past(or even around the time that they took their baby away.)
One of the comments was that the other kids looked too thin, and I agree. Making it all about a “natural” lifestyle to the point where your kids look unhealthy is not a good look.
Here is the thing:There are some conflicting reports about the parents’ behaviour(supposedly they used a assumed name to get out of paying the hospital bill)
.And were warned that NOT allowing their baby to have the treatment might lead to the kid having permanent health issues.There was a comment about the parents being paranoid.I don’t disagree with that .
Because one of the first things they did was trying to make it about them being a family of colour as I mentioned before. Not entirely convinced that that is the case.There are too many things that just don’t add up for me.
Look,I get why someone might want to have a baby at home.I did a report on home birth in high school(and got an a for it IIRC) but came to the conclusion that it was not something that I would have done myself. There are too many variables when it comes to having a baby;however, women of colour are more likely to die in childbirth which is shameful. And makes me glad that I can’t have kids.
I am a person of colour myself and it’s not that I don’t get where they are coming from..however from what I’m reading it’s nothing do do with their race and more that their child needed medical treatment and the parents wanted to treat it with “natural” cures.
Reminds me of the first crazy mom that I ever reported on whose son had a bad skin condition and who was treating it with natural cures(and it wasn’t working.) That, among other reasons was why she got her kids taken away from her, returned, and then taken away(for good this time.)
Quite a few comments commended the doctor for stepping in and doing the right thing,Which I agree. The story(as it is told by Medical Kidnap anyhow) has a whole lot of holes in it. Did the father have drug paraphernalia in the past(or even around the time that they took their baby away.)
One of the comments was that the other kids looked too thin, and I agree. Making it all about a “natural” lifestyle to the point where your kids look unhealthy is not a good look.
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[Crazy mom two-fer..Medical Kidnap.. SMGDH]
Tuesday, 7 March 2023 09:16Mom accused of molesting her son.
(I have a feeling that there is more to this than Medical Kidnap is willing/wants to tell.They have their own narrative and they are sticking to it.)
*Woman with TB was sent to jail for refusing health department advice.
(TB is very contagious. The woman thinks that TB is the sort of thing that can be cured with nuts and berries and essential oils.Not an exaggeration, either if you have been following these posts for any amount of time(and I found one of my old blogs the other day and it goes back quite a long while.Those of you who have been following along will remember the mom who had twins at home by herself without a doctor or midwife.That could have gone very wrong, especially being that they were premature(as twins tend to) and the mom refused to go to the doctor and take her kids to a doctor.
Being preemies they had health issues and yet she still refused to take them to a doctor and used natural cures on her son’s eczema which was quite severe and needed a lot more than essential oils. TL:DR ?someone noticed what was going on and she got the kids taken away from her. Eventually she had the kids returned to her..on the condition that she followed all of the rules that CPS set out for her.I said that we hadn’t heard the last of her and I was so correct that it is not even funny.
OG crazy mom had some serious issues(including having a partner who had anger issues for one thing..) but she refused to change the way she did things(including leaving her partner who was NOT good for her..between the lack of health care and the problems that she had with her partner she does not have custody of her kids. The kids are in a safe place now.She had at least one more kid since she had her other kids taken away(pretty sure that that kid was from the partner as well).I can’t find anything about her online(I’ve looked, out of curiosity), and I know that the partner did time because he threatened a CPS worker.SO not surprised.
(I have a feeling that there is more to this than Medical Kidnap is willing/wants to tell.They have their own narrative and they are sticking to it.)
*Woman with TB was sent to jail for refusing health department advice.
(TB is very contagious. The woman thinks that TB is the sort of thing that can be cured with nuts and berries and essential oils.Not an exaggeration, either if you have been following these posts for any amount of time(and I found one of my old blogs the other day and it goes back quite a long while.Those of you who have been following along will remember the mom who had twins at home by herself without a doctor or midwife.That could have gone very wrong, especially being that they were premature(as twins tend to) and the mom refused to go to the doctor and take her kids to a doctor.
Being preemies they had health issues and yet she still refused to take them to a doctor and used natural cures on her son’s eczema which was quite severe and needed a lot more than essential oils. TL:DR ?someone noticed what was going on and she got the kids taken away from her. Eventually she had the kids returned to her..on the condition that she followed all of the rules that CPS set out for her.I said that we hadn’t heard the last of her and I was so correct that it is not even funny.
OG crazy mom had some serious issues(including having a partner who had anger issues for one thing..) but she refused to change the way she did things(including leaving her partner who was NOT good for her..between the lack of health care and the problems that she had with her partner she does not have custody of her kids. The kids are in a safe place now.She had at least one more kid since she had her other kids taken away(pretty sure that that kid was from the partner as well).I can’t find anything about her online(I’ve looked, out of curiosity), and I know that the partner did time because he threatened a CPS worker.SO not surprised.
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[I can’t with these crazy moms]
Thursday, 9 February 2023 07:05Medical Kidnap has a new “the gubmint took my baby away and something happened to her”. In this case the baby(who had heart issues) died whilst in foster care.
So a little back story is entirely necessary here:
Crazy Mom found out her daughter had a heart defect At the time she had a 4 month old.Yeah.Her other 2 kids at the time were 12 and 9 years old).Was told that terminating the baby would be the best way to handle it.But. She didn’t. Had the baby and prepared herself to take care of a child with special needs. She herself had issues(post partum cardiomyopathy) after her birth.
A few months in, though a concerned friend called CPS because they were concerned about certain things(the mom is a single mom to 4 kids two of whom are under the age of 2 and one of whom has complicated medical issues.)
In the comments section someone said that they hoped the “family friend” is reminded every day of the damage she did to the family.
(This is a common thing:faux outrage at something that is ridiculous .It’s fairly common in cases like this. With S.’s case that was certainly true.But S. Is alive and is back with Crazy Mom and her siblings.
Mom:How dare CPS come in when I’m doing all I can for my daughter?
(Here’s the thing:someone though you weren’t.)
Also Mom:If CPS hadn’t taken her from me she would still be alive.
(Your daughter had medical issues.She was never going to have a long life even if she was able to have corrective surgery.)
The state had medical rights to the baby
(Smart.)
Crazy mom goes after the low hanging fruit,IOW the foster parents(which is very common in cases like this.) They(foster parents) put lotions on the baby that made her break out .
The accusations were too absurd not to be ignored.
(And you KNOW the people at the Social Services offices were like “WTF” at this.)
So a little back story is entirely necessary here:
Crazy Mom found out her daughter had a heart defect At the time she had a 4 month old.Yeah.Her other 2 kids at the time were 12 and 9 years old).Was told that terminating the baby would be the best way to handle it.But. She didn’t. Had the baby and prepared herself to take care of a child with special needs. She herself had issues(post partum cardiomyopathy) after her birth.
A few months in, though a concerned friend called CPS because they were concerned about certain things(the mom is a single mom to 4 kids two of whom are under the age of 2 and one of whom has complicated medical issues.)
In the comments section someone said that they hoped the “family friend” is reminded every day of the damage she did to the family.
(This is a common thing:faux outrage at something that is ridiculous .It’s fairly common in cases like this. With S.’s case that was certainly true.But S. Is alive and is back with Crazy Mom and her siblings.
Mom:How dare CPS come in when I’m doing all I can for my daughter?
(Here’s the thing:someone though you weren’t.)
Also Mom:If CPS hadn’t taken her from me she would still be alive.
(Your daughter had medical issues.She was never going to have a long life even if she was able to have corrective surgery.)
The state had medical rights to the baby
(Smart.)
Crazy mom goes after the low hanging fruit,IOW the foster parents(which is very common in cases like this.) They(foster parents) put lotions on the baby that made her break out .
The accusations were too absurd not to be ignored.
(And you KNOW the people at the Social Services offices were like “WTF” at this.)
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[Still amazed she’s back with her parents]
Tuesday, 31 January 2023 07:36Crazy Mom is now claiming that she knows who was behind her child(S.) being in foster care for several years of her life.Here’s the thing though: From what I have been reading Social Services were well within their right to do what they did as Crazy Mom left the hospital-without S. Then had a crisis of conscience and wanted her back. By that time S. was in foster care.
Crazy Mom went to all the usual web sites crying about how the bad gubmint took her baby away and were accusing her of being a drug addict(she had a large bag of drugs that she had to take. The amount of pills she has to take has,without a doubt,something to do with why she had,even though she did not want them, multiple c sections.There is a health issue preventing her from having kids naturally and she is so delusional that she thinks she can have the kid naturally, and at one point with her youngest child she was planning to have the baby at home without a midwife. She did have the baby in the hospital though so someone(grandparents?) threatened her with calling Social Services. And of course she had a c sectio with her youngest child,too.
There are plenty of things to pick apart about Crazy Mom..I’m not surprised that she is still going on about how the big bad gubmint took her child away and how it scarred their other kids for life.Whilst they were trying to get her back they obsessed on S. and didn’t celebrate Christmas with the rationale that it made them sad to celebrate things without S. being there.That is ridiculous.
As with other cases, I do not think that we have heard the last of Crazy Mom.
Crazy Mom went to all the usual web sites crying about how the bad gubmint took her baby away and were accusing her of being a drug addict(she had a large bag of drugs that she had to take. The amount of pills she has to take has,without a doubt,something to do with why she had,even though she did not want them, multiple c sections.There is a health issue preventing her from having kids naturally and she is so delusional that she thinks she can have the kid naturally, and at one point with her youngest child she was planning to have the baby at home without a midwife. She did have the baby in the hospital though so someone(grandparents?) threatened her with calling Social Services. And of course she had a c sectio with her youngest child,too.
There are plenty of things to pick apart about Crazy Mom..I’m not surprised that she is still going on about how the big bad gubmint took her child away and how it scarred their other kids for life.Whilst they were trying to get her back they obsessed on S. and didn’t celebrate Christmas with the rationale that it made them sad to celebrate things without S. being there.That is ridiculous.
As with other cases, I do not think that we have heard the last of Crazy Mom.
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[The crazy is going international]
Monday, 19 December 2022 08:18NZ health authorities medically kidnap a 4-month old who needs heart surgery but the parents want unvaccinated blood.
(Good luck on that one.And I can totally see why someone stepped in and took the kid away from his parents.)
Doctors told them vaccinated blood is safe.
(It IS..not 100% sure what the parents’ deal is..)
Vaccine cult wants to rid the earth of anti-Vaxxers by labeling them insane and dangerous.
(Well…it’s true.)
The parents didn’t refuse medical treatment.
(They’re making it harder for the doctors to treat their child.And that’s a problem.And a legit reason to take the kid away from them. And unlike other stories, I do NOT think that they are going to get their kid back.I’m still amazed that the original Crazy Mom got custody of her daughter back.)
(Good luck on that one.And I can totally see why someone stepped in and took the kid away from his parents.)
Doctors told them vaccinated blood is safe.
(It IS..not 100% sure what the parents’ deal is..)
Vaccine cult wants to rid the earth of anti-Vaxxers by labeling them insane and dangerous.
(Well…it’s true.)
The parents didn’t refuse medical treatment.
(They’re making it harder for the doctors to treat their child.And that’s a problem.And a legit reason to take the kid away from them. And unlike other stories, I do NOT think that they are going to get their kid back.I’m still amazed that the original Crazy Mom got custody of her daughter back.)
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[O hai King Paimon *clicks tongue*]
Tuesday, 27 September 2022 07:26Ooh the 8 Passengers drama is getting more..dramatic.Including the fact that her husband has moved out of the house,her friend who also is a coworker of sorts moved in and her family are calling her out on her shit right and left. I saw a comment that R. does not represent all Mormons.Glad to see Mormons saying that this shit is NOT normal.) The stuff with her friend is interesting.. two women living together?Pretty sure Mormon Jesus doesn’t approve,LOL
For someone that says that ones’ mental health is their own fault, R. Is the textbook definition of the pot a and the kettle.Literally. I don’t think this is completely religion driver but I think there might also be a health issue that she is not talking about(embarassed that she is contradicting everything she says by going to a doctor! Oh my god!) You know it’s bad when your family wants nothing to do with you and has been speaking out against you.a LOT. Husband left the house.The daughter as well as one of the sons(the same son I believe who was sent to a wilderness camp for several months.) R. continually throws her family under the bus.
R. believes in beating the bad out of kids.Ouch.Literally. Kids have to be perfect OR ELSE. Jesus fucking christ.
The family are trying to get R. to wake up and smell the coffee(yes,I said it.)An intervention if you will.
The reason R. quit doing the YouTube videos was because she was getting so many comments calling her out on her shit.The comments that she was getting made her even stricter with her kids*which..is that even possible?Oh yes.) But we’re talking about someone who metes out what can only be called bizarre punishments.
R. also dislikes all of the worldliness that is out there and has complained to her kids’ school about them being exposed to “worldly” music.Lord.
More than a few commenters have compared her to Lori Daybell.I hope it doesn’t go THAT bad but thankfully CPS has opened an investigation of R. IMO her husband needs to take the kids and run.
R. believes that she is “living her truth” and that includes not going to doctors.Fucking yikes.
And here is where I get to the point:
I think that there is a health issue going on.someone I was sort of acquainted with was not a nice person. I didn’t understand it and when they died,I was talking to several people who had known them and it was “oh, she was very nice.” Come to find out that she had a brain tumour. One of the symptoms is changes in personality and behaviour.
Who does that sound like?Mind you, R.. has always been a control freak, always needs to be in control .But it’s become much more..searches for a word and settles on “extreme” over the past few years. Hope that the right people get involved and the kids are in a safe place.Safer than being with their mom.
For someone that says that ones’ mental health is their own fault, R. Is the textbook definition of the pot a and the kettle.Literally. I don’t think this is completely religion driver but I think there might also be a health issue that she is not talking about(embarassed that she is contradicting everything she says by going to a doctor! Oh my god!) You know it’s bad when your family wants nothing to do with you and has been speaking out against you.a LOT. Husband left the house.The daughter as well as one of the sons(the same son I believe who was sent to a wilderness camp for several months.) R. continually throws her family under the bus.
R. believes in beating the bad out of kids.Ouch.Literally. Kids have to be perfect OR ELSE. Jesus fucking christ.
The family are trying to get R. to wake up and smell the coffee(yes,I said it.)An intervention if you will.
The reason R. quit doing the YouTube videos was because she was getting so many comments calling her out on her shit.The comments that she was getting made her even stricter with her kids*which..is that even possible?Oh yes.) But we’re talking about someone who metes out what can only be called bizarre punishments.
R. also dislikes all of the worldliness that is out there and has complained to her kids’ school about them being exposed to “worldly” music.Lord.
More than a few commenters have compared her to Lori Daybell.I hope it doesn’t go THAT bad but thankfully CPS has opened an investigation of R. IMO her husband needs to take the kids and run.
R. believes that she is “living her truth” and that includes not going to doctors.Fucking yikes.
And here is where I get to the point:
I think that there is a health issue going on.someone I was sort of acquainted with was not a nice person. I didn’t understand it and when they died,I was talking to several people who had known them and it was “oh, she was very nice.” Come to find out that she had a brain tumour. One of the symptoms is changes in personality and behaviour.
Who does that sound like?Mind you, R.. has always been a control freak, always needs to be in control .But it’s become much more..searches for a word and settles on “extreme” over the past few years. Hope that the right people get involved and the kids are in a safe place.Safer than being with their mom.
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[She was born the year after her brother died..]
Tuesday, 19 July 2022 07:45Meghan Walsh, who is the daughter of John Walsh., is claiming that her father is involved all sorts of things including human trafficking through the Centre for Missing And Exploited Children. That brings us to her dealings with CPS.She has had her 3 older kids taken away ,as well as her fourth child, who was born a couple of months ago.They are in the custody of John and his wife. To hear her tell it her dad(and CPS) “stole” them from her. What’s going on with her?Drugs?Mental illlness?
Here’s the thing:You don’t get your kids taken away for “no reason”.And no,CPS are not perfect but I feel like we’re not being told all of the story.
1)Her youngest baby’s father is named MAGA Jackson. As in Make America Great Again. Vomit.
2)She cured the cancer on her nose with oils.
3)Calls herself a “intuitive healer”.
4)She had a home birth.Surpised that she is not claiming that this is one of the reasons that her youngest was taken away from her. I did a report on home birth in high school and came to the conclusion that it was not for me.
5) The most insane claim is that her brother is missing, not murdered. Hoo boy.Where to even start with that one. Watching interviews with her, there are claims about all sorts of things which, when you hear her say them, and given the fact she’s doing interviews with people who want to be Alex Jones speak volumes about her.
Here’s the thing:You don’t get your kids taken away for “no reason”.And no,CPS are not perfect but I feel like we’re not being told all of the story.
1)Her youngest baby’s father is named MAGA Jackson. As in Make America Great Again. Vomit.
2)She cured the cancer on her nose with oils.
3)Calls herself a “intuitive healer”.
4)She had a home birth.Surpised that she is not claiming that this is one of the reasons that her youngest was taken away from her. I did a report on home birth in high school and came to the conclusion that it was not for me.
5) The most insane claim is that her brother is missing, not murdered. Hoo boy.Where to even start with that one. Watching interviews with her, there are claims about all sorts of things which, when you hear her say them, and given the fact she’s doing interviews with people who want to be Alex Jones speak volumes about her.
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